Well looks like british hockey in general is screwed
They aren't the only ones.
Shane Smith at Hull has applied for the Pirates to join NIHL but in his statement he also said that he wanted to bring top flight hockey back to Hull. I wouldn't be surprised if he applied and got accepted at the board meeting next week to the Elite League.
The EIHA have advised all the remaining EPIHL teams i.e Peterborough, Telford, Bracknell etc to apply to join the NIHL as it appears the new venture of the PIHL is a non starter. This makes the sabre rattling that us and Dundee are doing with our statements about our futures practically irrelevant.
There are only two options for us EIHL or SNL and with the prospect of Hull applying for EIHL id us, Stars and Capitals all drop out the league next week the league will still have its 10 teams and wouldn't care less if we left.
We unfortunately have to stay in this league but I think we were going to anyway
Thinking about this and I cant see any outcome other than the 3 Scottish teams leaving the EIHL. Tam Muir isn't one to back down the BNL/EIHL episode showed that. Black and Smith are the exact same and neither give a monkeys about anyone else. If the Scottish teams threaten to walk he will simply say "see you later" and move to a 9 team league. Plans are already in place for more teams in the coming years so there will be no concern from them at all.
Only way this could be different is if other arena teams like Cardiff Belfast stand up and agree with the Scottish point of view or at least in part.
Clan as well I would think would likely take our point to a certain extent Like it or not they need us in particular and the other Scottish teams in general as it helps with their travel and if we leave then they don't have a natural rivalry
This looks like Flyers and I suppose Stars and Capitals flexing their muscles All the Flyers ask for with this league is a level playing field Can anybody honestly say that if Flyers were having financial problems and went to the league looking for £60,000 to help them out that the league would give us it and also write it off later? I'm sure the league wouldn't do that for us
Manchester knew what they were getting into when they joined this league, they knew the travel involved and they should be budgeting for this. If they can't or won't then they are in the wrong league
It wasn't just down to Flyers, Stars and Capitals for Storm to be in our conference We are constantly told that all decisions are a league decision and have to be passed by majority but Neil Black also said at the fans forum that each individual team have to look out for themselves and that is the crux of this league Every individual team is looking out for their own interests when it should be the league as a collective looking out for all it's teams
Absolutely no chance, 3 import hockey would be awful and crowds would drop to under the 1k mark, I agree the import limit is too high but 3 is too low, can't see Tam going for that, too much travel and too little incoming cash. But saying that nothing would surprise me. Flyers to me are a top level British club and if they're playing in some part time semi pro league I won't be in attendance, sure many will feel the same.
Muir if he is running the club right should jump at this chance to join a league like this.
With the Kestrels.
Now before folk jump up and down this is exactly what the club needs to develop players for the Eilte team. They did it before for a few seasons and guys like Iain Robertson Les Millie Davie Smith all played in the old First Division with Imports like Del Gosse Graham Herring Steve Marr Steve Mackie. I still remember a cracking game against Telford that ended up about 10-9 or something along those lines.
Local club for local guys all right then prove it give them this opportunity.
I did think that this league could be a good opportunity for the Kestrels to join but forgot to put it as an option in my original post.
The financial situation is an awful lot different today than it was for the two seasons Kestrels were in the old First Division and I don't know if there would be the appetite from the Fife public for two teams at these levels now.
If it was the Kestrels joining I would want it to be them and not a regionalised "Super" team with Dundee and Edinburgh players in it, I am not a fan of regionalised teams as I think local people would have an even harder identifying with a team that had players from other clubs on it than they do with an import laden team. Where would a regionalised team play and train? Who has the say in which players play for it? If for example Dundee only have one player in the team are they going to want to continue making players available and them not get the chance to play? Also if in that example are any Dundee fans going to travel to Kirkcaldy or Edinburgh to see the team play with only one representative from their club in it? Would they travel to Kirkcaldy or Edinburgh to see that team play anyway no matter how many Dundee players were on it? Likewise Fife and Edinburgh fans, would they travel to Dundee to watch this "Super" team?
If we were thinking of putting the Kestrels in then we have to do the selfish thing and think about it for us and I do think it is a fantastic option for Kestrels
So yesterday the remaining 7 EPL met to determine the long term sustainability and future of that league and the major factors out of the meeting is that it has been rebranded to now be called Premier Ice Hockey League and the name English has been dropped, which I think is a direct olive branch and appeal to the three east coast Scottish elite teams and removes a significant barrier if we were to think about applying to join
Each team will have 3 non trained British players and in the season 2019/20 there will be no import netminders allowed but with only 3 imports teams would probably not go with an import netminder from next season anyway
The idea of this league sounds like something that will greatly appeal to Muir IMO, especially if Dundee and Edinburgh can be persuaded to jump as well
I know the gap from 14 imports to 3 gives us a lot of spaces to fill but people have been crying out for opportunities for our local boys to play for the Flyers and this seems like it and the gap across from SNL to this league wouldn't be as great for our young guys to try and make.
Do people think that this new league would be something that Muir would now look at? Would it be something that we as fans welcome for the Flyers?
Harlan the eihl should be the perfect fit for fife with the right coach and structure in place we could get the good times back where you needed to get your ticket midweek or you didn't get in with the right team on the ice I believe we could get full houses every week when the fia really rocked sitting in the stairwells standing 3 or 4 deep best atmosphere in hockey
And on the whole I tend to agree with that but the original question was with the same things in place and for me with your scenario too many things would need to change in the philosophy of this club at ownership level, structure level, coaching level, match night presentation level, league professionalism level and fan expectation level I do think you are right though, you change a few small things with the outlook of this club and you get those times back Whether that is achievable in the EIHL or a restructured EPL 2 is another question
I voted to remain where we are just now because the question asked was based on the now We know nothing about the make up of an EPL 2 and until we do it's better being in the stability of the league we are in rather than voting for something we know nothing about, even though we may not like the league of are in, and it does have very obvious faults that can be easily fixed I do think the ideal league for us to be in is one with six to eight imports with a clear, workable and enforceable wage cap and I do think that Muirs enthusiasm for this league is waning each season and he had no enthusiasm for this league to begin with, we joined because we had no other option and in some way we still don't. So for the time being I would rather we stay where we are even though it still doesn't feel like the right fit for us and whatever we decide to do we should do what is the right thing for us and our continued long term future and stuff what others think we should do cause it benefits their club
The thing that is probably being overlooked is the potential for Hutchins to be the coach next season so we could go in a totally different direction altogether.
Owen won't be back unfortunately, we have already been asked about his availability from a team in this league let alone any other league.
I would definitely want back Moyer, Paquet, Dingle, Fox, Schaber and Brooks if he wants to but suspect he won't and I would give Stockton another season with the hope that his bad luck with injuries has run out. I wouldn't mind seeing a full season of Cameron, although it doesn't look like he has done much he has 7 points in 8 games. Haven't seen any of the alleged toughness but that is probably down to Dutiaume. If Hutchins is coach we might see a different player
As for Brits. I agree with most of what has already been said but I will throw another name in. With the confirmation of the demise of Manchester Pheonix there is Craig Thurston and I think we should look at him to train with us now and give him a few games to see what he is like at this level.
I personally think that Neilson has got off very light with just a 3 game ban, should have been double figures for me. The restrictions placed on us with extra security and plexi to be installed are spot on.
Think they have given this because of the provocation from the fan
Fine fix plexi, then give that section for away fans. They want it give it to them with the restricted view that it will have and sell only tickets for that section nowhere else and once it has sold out it has sold out The barn will still have it's intimidating presence from the other sections and putting away fans back there will increase the atmosphere
Maybe it's a trial thing for them to see which turns out to be financially better for them for next season If you have ever been to a Dundee v Clan game, they don't take that many to Dundee. It's a two hour journey each way for them so a web cast may actually bring in more for Dundee against what is spent in the rink by them With us I think that is purely financial to get more Flyers fans through the door and spending more in the rink and seems like a better decision for them
Yes Owen is getting the plaudits but for me he was just being Shane Owen, we have seen him do this all season and it is no surprise for us now but for fans that don't see him a lot they would say he was excellent and obviously have. He didn't particularly have to be outstanding he just did what he does, there was an excellent glove save in the first period but again we have seen stuff like that before and he keeps us in games and gives a chance to win them, isn't that what a netminder is supposed to do?
Overall this was a typical Flyers road game. Sit back first period see what the opposition has to offer, try and come out of it level or not too far behind so that we have to chase the game and then play a bit more in the second and third and try and steal something.
In truth Flyers probably should have won it in regulation, there were opportunities for that but equally Panthers could say the same, but we definitely should have won in OT with the amount of chances we had as we totally dominated that aspect of the game with great puck possession.
Surprised somewhat at our penalty takers Fox yes but Thinel and especially Sisca, he looks to have no confidence whatsoever and was totally at fault for Panthers first goal.
Also have to give credit to Dutiaume for changing things when he saw that our third line was out of it's depth against Nikiforuk, Carter and Brown.
Apart from Owen their were great performances from Brooks who I thought was outstanding and caused Panthers problems all night, Moyer, Schaber and Wands.
As we are the first team to beat them on their ice after their European success does that mean we automatically become new European Champions :-)